
Urthboy is an artist of longevity, an artist thoroughly on point in everything he does. The Elefant Traks head honcho has recently released his third LP Spitshine. It compounds the critical acclaim garnered by his previous two LPs, 2007’s The Signal and his 2004 debut Distant Sense Of Random Menace. The same talent behind the boards handles production on Spitshine: Count Bounce and Elgusto. Solo, Jane Tyrell, Lior and Mark Pearl and Nat Dunn all contribute to the already rich vein of songwriting present throughout. On the rap tip, Nay and Mantra hold their own brilliantly. Spitshine is an audacious, synth-stained offering from the talented maestro.
Things seem to be going swimmingly at Elefant Traks with seeds both old and new flourishing. Is it easier to produce music of your own in such a conducive environment?
Yeah I like to have good people around me. I like to have people that are making music that is solid. It’s kinda competitive because it means that you’re seeing your peers making good music that you’re impressed by, so you want to compete with them. But it’s not competitive in a negative way. It’s more about finding ways to inspire those around you and I like to be surrounded by people who inspire me because it makes me want to work harder. I mean, The Tongue has to get his shit together and work on some music and I’m quite happy to be putting that out there in the public sphere. He’s a talented writer and I like having him around even though he’s sort of been quiet for a minute. He has the potential to do some really cool shit, he’s done some and he’ll do a hell of a lot more. Same goes with Horrorshow, it’s dope having those guys around because they have grown up with Australian Hip Hop, I kinda did but the majority of what I grew up with was American with a sprinkling of groups like Def Wish Cast, Brethren and Quro. Horrorshow have come through, I guess maybe realising the possibilities that were a bit more vague back in the day. The result is they come out firing.
As you grow older and release more albums, do you think tracks with the sentiment of Ready To Go become more paramount?
I think that’s a personal thing. You see it over and over again when artists get really comfortable and just keep regurgitating similar material. That’s not necessarily a bad thing because a lot of the time those artists are hounded by fans to keep recreating the same stuff. I often find it keep cornering you into a comfort zone and so whether I succeed or fail, I think it’s really important to explore ways of avoiding that comfort zone because there’s something really great and untarnished about naiveté and being a new, young artist feeling like anything is possible. It’s exciting man, it’s sorta why people make music, whether you’re staunch or soft or whatever, you get a buzz from creating shit and putting together words. That sometimes gets a bit lost when you do it so much that you just have a clear understanding of what you need to do to write a song. You can just fall into going through the motions and that’s fine because that shows you’re familiar and you’ve got experience and that’s cool. But the flipside is that you just end up being a bit too safe sometimes. So I guess Ready To Go is kind of a call to arms in that sense, it’s an acknowledgement of finding some inspiring shit to keep really hungry.
Spitshine also seems to contain more songwriting devoted to non-rap vocal stylings. Is this a facet you enjoy?
Yeah for sure. My primary music that I create is Hip Hop and that’s what I love. I’m still spun out by how much there is still to learn about it. It feels like it’s inside everything I do, like there’s a Hip Hop angle or approach. But I get curious about how you can incorporate that mentality into a more traditional and conventional songwriting structure-sung music and working with singers. Because I don’t think you need to turn your stuff into drivel in order to work with singers. I think there’s heaps of great ways to convey your message. I was listening to that Line To Line track by Bias B this morning. He’s talking about shit that is supposed to connect with writers and that’s what the whole song is about and that’s a lot of the new record and that’s mad because he’s talking to a whole sub culture of people out there that the majority of society doesn’t have a clue about. It’s really important but at the same time he’s just trying to connect with a group of people whether it be writers or you’re a singer writing about love or loss, you’re still trying to communicate something to a group of people. Sometimes there’s a great challenge working with singers in getting your point across, I find it really interesting.
Where does the inspiration for your onstage costume tomfoolery come from?
There was a time in Hip Hop music when it was the way you performed and entertained you know. That shit is what created the artform that we are involved in. I realise that there’s a certain gimmick about dressing up and that’s why it’s only every now and again that we do dress up. You can’t trade on a novelty, it just wears thin. I like to keep it as an element of a show that says ‘we’re not taking ourselves too seriously’ you know, that we’re not so precious about our fucking image that we can’t go out and kinda take the piss but more importantly, it’s about entertainment. We’re entertainers, you go out there and freestyle on a stage, just trying to land your punchlines or whatever and that’s all cool if you’ve got a bunch of heads in the crowd that are all just following every word. But in the broader music scene, we’re up on stage to fucking entertain and to put together an engaging live show. You don’t have to wear a costume to do that but that’s just another little weapon in your arsenal. I don’t really care, I just think it’s fun to do every now and again.
“…I often find it keep cornering you into a comfort zone and so whether I succeed or fail, I think it’s really important to explore ways of avoiding that comfort zone because there’s something really great and untarnished about naiveté and being a new, young artist feeling like anything is possible…”
You’re hitting the road September though to November for the nationwide Spitshine tour. Are there any further live theatrics in development?
Yeah, we’ve really tried to work hard on our live show. In previous years when I was coming up, you’d just go to a show or play a gig and it would be more about the social aspect. You’d have a bunch of beers, you’d see your mates, you’d get onstage, rap some songs and it was just about the buzz of performing. For many years it was like that because it’s difficult as an artist to think ‘well this is going to take me somewhere, I better really be as professional as I can’ because in years past, it was very difficult to imagine it growing like it has. Nowadays I’m firmly of the belief that you have gotta make use of every opportunity and that means gone are the days when you get up onstage and just rap your shit. You gotta come with something different, put some time into your show. For us, that means we’ve been putting together visuals for the whole gig and actually creating them, not just getting random shapes and things and putting them behind us. Jane and a good friend Bernie who did a lot of the editing of the making of videos have taken care of that. We do it where possible as well, a lot of the time we’re doing regional shows where we don’t have big venues so it’s a bit hard to do full lighting shows and whatnot. Remixing songs for the show and working out how we’ll be delivering these songs onstage is important. We’re not that two or three blokes shouting the chorus kinda thing. I might sound like I’m not speaking about that favourably but I love that shit, it’s mad energy, like Funkoars. You love that vibe man because everyone is just fucking electric, everyone is venting. I mean it’s not punk music but it’s just about cutting absolutely loose at gigs and that’s good. You need to have bands like that but that’s not us, we operate on a different level so we gotta shape our show to have a different angle.
How did the collaboration with Lior eventuate?
That was simple, he rocked up to a festival, he was playing after me. He jumped into our tent and said he was a big fan of The Signal. I just said ‘cool…wicked.’ I’ve been a big fan of his for a long time, I think some of his melodies are just outrageous.
Is it humbling to have an artist of that ilk commenting on your work favourably?
Yeah for sure, I guess it just shows that we’re all on the same boat. As a Hip Hop artist you tend to marginalise yourself, you think you’re on the fringes. And that’s not some ludicrous conspiracy theory or paranoia, we are on the fringes. It’s constantly rammed down our throats that we are on the fringes, especially in Australia. Even if people accept it, even if Hilltop Hoods go number one twice in a week, we’re still treated as an anomaly. So strike me down for adopting that outsider mentality but that’s just the way it goes and anyone who has been around Hip Hop for more than five years and remembers it 10, 15 years ago, let alone 25 years ago, can relate to that.
The cursing on Spitshine is far less prevalent than your average Hip Hop release but seemingly well-considered. Is the impact of such language features something you give a fair amount of thought to when writing?
That’s cool because I’ve sworn more on this record than any other I reckon. I think that I’m pretty loose every now and again, I’m not the Geto Boys though. But at the same time I think people who talk all the time, talk shit, carry on, never know when to stop and every now and again they’ll make a valid point but it’ll probably get lost because they talk so much so people switch off then you get those other people who only talk every now and again but because they don’t talk that often, people listen. I think the same with swearing, sometimes you can throw a word into a spot where you weren’t expecting and it can give you a little jolt. I find that works more in singing when you’re writing a beautiful song and you throw something in that is a bit coarse. It’s like with Impossible Story, at then end of it, it was really important to finish that line even though really we were trying to write something evocative and a little bit reflective so that’s not necessarily the kind of song you load up with swearing but the last line of the verse is ‘…fuck it all, fuck it all, fuck it all for 12 months…’ Sometimes I get young fathers saying why do you swear so much on your records? I can’t play it to the kids.’ That kinda sucks but what are you gonna do? I grew up on the Geto Boys, Paris and NWA. That’s a lot more part of Hip Hop than swearing is to say…pop music.
The song titles on Spitshine seem to have a particularly poetic leaning-Above The Canopy, Impossible Story, Them Shackles, Til They Snatch The Last Page-is this a conscious endeavour, something you take pride in?
Yeah I reckon. I love instrumental artists that come up with good names for their songs because it can really bring people in, it’s a short-term thing. But if you name a song well, it’s a beautiful thing.
Is 2000 & Whatever a reflection of striving to make timeless music?
Yeah for sure, I didn’t want to go with 2009 & Whatever, I didn’t want to have it dated. It’s cool having something that’s dated like when you’re listening to say…some Wu-Tang shit and they drop a reference to ‘93 or 93 To Infinity itself. I wanted people to think ‘2000 and what…? What year was it? when they hear the song.
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